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    April 16, 2013
    7:00 - 7:59pm PDT  

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a sophisticated triggering mechanism, michael leiter telling us of lesser importance in narrowing down the suspect in terms of expertise and training but more important to give clues to trace to the source to find out how the bomb was assembled and where the pieces came from that allowed the bomber to put it together. keep it here at msnbc. obviously the story is developing tonight. we'll keep you posted. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. stay with us. tonight, we are live in boston with new pictures of the moment the carnage began and new clues in the investigation and new stories of the heart break of those killed, including the 8-year-old boy happily growing up on the same streets where i grew up. >> no claims of responsibility.
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the range of suspects and motives remain wide open. >> who was behind twin bombings? >> someone knows who did this. >> grieve for our neighbors. >> taken to six hospitals. >> three people dead, more than 176 injured. that 8-year-old boy is martin richard. >> 8-year-old martin richard is among those killed. >> 29-year-old krystle camp pel of massachusetts. >> the fbi intelligence agencies are involved in an intensive search for evidence. two and only two explosive devices were found. >> they were crudely made. they appear to have been assembled inside a pressure cooker. >> a common type of explosive. >> a low powered explosive. >> it was really, really loud and chaos.
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>> pandemonium, everybody started running and screaming. >> you could run in any direction. >> the past 24 hours, this city of boston has shown its strength and determination. >> we know our neighbors, grieve for them. we know the heroes, also. boston will overcome. >> reporter: tonight, here in boston, we are learning much more about the investigation of yesterday's explosions on boylston street. the bombs were pressure cookers containing shrapnel hidden in backpacks or nylon bags detonated by timers. fragments of nylon were found at the bomb sites from the bags that held the explosives. investigators found pieces of what they believe to be b.b.s and very small nails thought to be the shrapnel from the bombs along with what they think are pieces of a pressure cooker used in making one of the bombs. in all, three people were killed
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and at least 176 people are counted as injured in the attacks. 71 of them are still in the hospital tonight. 24 of those people are in critical condition. at a press conference this evening, the fbi, again, asked for the public's help. >> there were no claims of responsibility. the range of suspects and motives remains wide open. importantly, the person who did this is someone's friend, neighbor, co-worker or relative. we are asking anyone who heard someone speak about the marathon or the date of april 15th in any way that indicated they may target the event to call us. someone knows who did this. >> we are learning more about the victims tonight. one who was killed, it turns out was a graduate student at boston university, a chinese citizen. the victim's name has not been
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released. 29 year-old krystle campbell, a fitness coach and restaurant manager. her mom spoke briefly to us this afternoon. >> we are heart broken at the death of our daughter. she was a wonderful person. everybody that knew her loved her. she loved her dogs. she's always smiling. you couldn't ask for a better daughter. we can't believe this has happened. she was happy in everything she did. it doesn't make any sense. 8-year-old martin richard loved playing soccer, hockey and baseball. loved riding his bike.
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he did all those things in the places i did those things when i was 8-year-olds old. the exact same neighborhood. tonight, the neighborhood gathered in a candle light vigil for richard. at that vigil, i saw many old friends and had the chance to speak to a mother and daughter who neumar tin richard. your first communion with martin. did you do it at st. ann's? >> yeah, i was in his dallas in school, too. >> it must be hard to believe that this happened? >> yeah, it really is. i can't believe it happened. >> so, all the kids who neumar tin are talking about this and how hard it is? >> yeah. really sad. >> what do you most remember about him?
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>> i remember that he's -- he likes to play flag football, i know that. >> there's a lot of neighborhood people that were there. you know, family, friends, everybody were all right there. it just went quick. everybody knew, you know, everybody's e-mail and text messaging. talking to parents just because it is such a close neighborhood, you know. they were a wonderful family, o so -- i just -- it's terrible. >> i'm joined by bill, the managing editor or the dorchester reporter. we took a walk through the neighborhood this afternoon including the street where martin richard lived. we have some video of some of
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what we saw today. >> bill, we're here in the square where you know as t station here in boston. 25 hours ago, that clock stopped. tell us about that. >> well, the clock stopped because people from this neighborhood came down here and stopped this clock. it stopped because people either wanted to show what that event did to this neighborhood. >> that's the time of the explosions yesterday. >> 2:50. it was done as a gesture. the richard family helped make this square area what it is. bill and his wife denise, denise was severely injured, their son, martin, lost his life and their little daughter. this was a gesture by the people
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of this neighborhood to say our lives have stopped. as of 2:50 yesterday. >> they live right around the corner from where we are standing now. this will be their neighborhood for getting something to eat. everyone around here knows these people. it's always been that kind of neighborhood where anybody within walking distance of here knows everybody else. you have a son who is a year older than martin and they are in the same sports leagues. >> they went to the same school for awhile. martin was in jump ball, the second catholic academy with my son and they played in different leagues together. the thing about the richard family, there's five of them, of course. you never see them without them all together. at the soccer field, the church, going to school. they moved as a unit. you know, that's what we are going to feel right away here in
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this community is not seeing them together. so, you know, the devastation is felt. i know the country is feeling it. here in this immediate neighborhood, the level of grief is intense right now. you know, this square that we are standing in, bill richard and denise literally designed this square with a group of neighbors, but they were the leaders of it. bill richard came here when they settled here and immediately got involved in making it a better place. the buildings behind us are the station -- >> looks a little different from when i was using it. >> a whole lot better. these folks came in here and made a difference. they have been the leaders. for them to suffer this kind of loss is just a heart breaker for all of us. >> bill richard is an architect. that's how he helped in cleaning up of the square.
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this used to be on the dumpier side, i have to say, i have to admit that. >> they used to call it gritty and rough. it's dorchester, this is who we are. we have a bit of everything here. this is, as you know light years better. it's a place people want to come from from all points of the compass, any other stores around here, it's destination. that family helped make it that way. >> bill is the only member of the family who wasn't injured. there's another son -- >> actually they were all there as spectators, lawrence. they go to the marathon because they are avid runners. this year, bill didn't compete, he was there watching with the kids and denise. i don't know how bill escaped injury. there were other people there from the neighborhood in the same vicinity with lesser wounds. it was such a random thing of who got hurt.
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martin's injuries were too severe. >> the little girl in the family, what do we know about jane's injuries? >> we know she's lost her leg. beyond that, i'm not sure. >> take it easy. >> i'm not sure. she's lost her leg. >> and what about denise, the mother. >> she has head injury. she's -- her condition has been upgraded. we are optimistic she's going to pull through. >> dorchester is having a wake today. >> yeah. we'll have one the next few days. tonight there's a candle light vigil as you know. yeah, the community is going to -- i have no question, i know you don't, either. this community is going to be there for these folks. they already are. you know, there's no question this is going to be, you know,
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some silver lining to this some day. we don't see it yet, but this community, for sure is going to take care of its own. no question. >> bill, on our walk around the neighborhood today, we walked down the street that the family lives on, didn't take the cameras down there respecting their privacy. it is a temporarily changed neighborhood. i say temporarily because when i was on the same streets decades ago, it looked exactly the same. there is a stability to that place that is really remarkable. >> it's families like the richard family that have kept it that way. i mean the social life of dorchester revolves around churches and schools and around families like the one that bill and denise richard created and just what they bring to the table as individuals and as a
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family. you know, we can't replace them now. we are going to grieve and mourn right now but we'll be back as a neighborhood fully. i think you saw that tonight at the park. i think there was more than 2500 or 3,000 people there. it's where he played football. there are going to be kids out there tomorrow playing. as a community, we are already starting the healing process. our job is rally around this family, give them their space to heal themselves and pray for denise and pray for janie. they are both still in the hospital, obviously. the community and the nation is at their side. >> in addition to what went on, the public vigil at the park, down the street there was a private gathering for the family at a gathering place there. i saw people going to that earlier in the evening. >> yeah. >> was bill at that, do you
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know? were any family members? >> i don't believe so. there were grief counselors for not just children, but adults that are hurting. this is a family that is actively part of that neighborhood. they would typically be at that meeting hall for civic meetings every month. tonight, it was other people who had to fill that room. >> bill stay with us, please. coming up next, the latest on the investigation and the clues the fbi says they now have. later an exclusive interview with a doctor who was treating people at the finish line right after the blast as well as a nurse from an emergency room. where cutting taxes for families and businesses is our business. we've reduced taxes and lowered costs to save businesses more than two billion dollars to grow jobs, cut middle class income taxes to the lowest rate in sixty years,
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>> that was the special agent incharge of the boston area. this image released from the fbi, joint bulletin issued to law enforcement. it shows the remains of a pressure cooker. the fbi says it's part of one of the detonated boks. it shows this image of an exploded backpack. the fbi is examining photos like this from nbc affiliate, whdh. it shows the marathon route before the second bomb detonated. here is a picture of the same location after the second bomb detonated. sources tell nbc news that the triggering mechanism appears to have had a battery pack and circuit board, elements of a sophisticated system. both elements were recovered at the scene.
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joining me now is congressman ed markey from massachusetts. one of the people killed, krystle campbell is from your district? >> yes, she is. that is a good indication this goes beyond the city of boston. >> it does. >> this is all of massachusetts. there are tens of thousands of runners but there's a million people watching the marathon. as a result, every single family knows someone who was here yesterday. this is a very special day each year for the whole state. krystle campbell from medford is somebody that is part of the larger massachusetts family. they were all grieving. >> everywhere you go today, you see the faces of sadness. there's not a place where you can look where you don't see people who are feeling this. >> no. this is -- this is something
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that hit us just 12 years ago. >> the planes originated from here. >> they hijacked two planes with 150 people on those two planes that flew into the world trade center. the memorial is over here, 50 yards away and thousands of people walking past it remembering those 150 people and those that were injured or lost their life yesterday. >> there is a similar feel here today to the feel that you got at logan airport in boston after 9/11. the people working there, the people who sent those planes into the air. there was a -- you could see that they were attached to that tragedy in a way that wasn't going to go away. >> no, this is now a part of the personality of boston. sometimes boston is forgotten as part of the story because so many people died. >> yes. >> 150 people here as well.
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it was sered into the memory of every single person from boston and massachusetts. they hijacked those two planes just one mile away. now this incident occurs just a couple hundred yards down this street as well. so, it does, it brings us together as the bay state, as a commonwealth and we really do feel that unity today. >> in a situation like this, there's a demand on you from two directions. one is what do you say in effect this wake we are having in boston, massachusetts and what do you say as a public official with responsibilities to make sure the fbi, obviously as they are and all the authorities doing the jobs they need to do? >> we celebrated patriots day yesterday. they said do not fire until you see the whites of their eyes. that's how everyone feels. we want these people
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apprehended. we want every single thing done to bring them to justice. and we share that emotion with a sadness but we do want justice and we feel post 9/11, the country rallied behind us and what happened here. the same thing is happening now, but we want for all of these families to make sure they know we will remember them and we will remember what happened to their family member and we will make sure that these people are apprehended. >> when i was at the park earlier tonight in dorchester, you could see grandparents, parents holding those 8-year-olds, holding those kids tighter. everybody here is having that feeling, it could have been us. >> it could have been anyone. there's a member of my staff that was only three minutes from finishing the marathon. they stopped her so she could have been running by. her sister stopped because she
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had a bit of a cramp but she could have been there. her mother was waiting two blocks down. so, i think everyone has a story like that today. everyone knows someone who could have just been taking the walk to go past that finish line. it is uniting everyone in the state. >> to the investigation, it seems they are keeping us up to date on everything that they know that they can release to us. what do you expect as this investigation unfolds? >> well, i talked to janet napolitano this afternoon. she told me that there is total cooperation. we have learned a lot -- >> i think you can see it on the stage when the fbi, boston police commissioner came out, the mayor, the governor, it really seems to be there. >> i served on the homeland security committee for seven years and i tell you, we were not ready for 9/11, no one was ready. we are ready now.
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i think the surveillance cameras, the acuity of everyone that knows they were part of a crime scene is all going to be brought to the floor. i think at the federal, state and local levels. citizens as well. if you are someone that was part of the perpetration of this crime, you should be very worried because i think that everyone is going to be united in using every bit of law enforcement technology to track you down. >> young that washington has a role beyond the president simply saying as he has done, ordering everybody into maximum cooperation and high gear here? >> the president is going to visit here. i think he has that role, as well. i think it's going to be very meaningful to the people here. >> thursday morning. >> in massachusetts. >> it's going to mean the world to the state that he is here. i think just lifting people's
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spirits, giving them some hope for the future. i think that's the message in addition to ensuring everyone that he is going to direct this crime investigation that his administration will ensure someone is caught. we are hopeful for the future and i think he knows how to deliver that message. >> we have a lot of plaques, monuments and statues in this town but i don't think we need anything to remind us of what happened. >> we will remember it every patriots day for eternity. that will be the day that we remember. we honor those who passed away as we celebrate the marathon and the red sox playing that morning. there will be that third thought now that is in everyone's mind as they wake up on patriots day. >> thank you for joining us. appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, a nurse and a doctor who treated patients
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i have been moved and as a matter of fact really amazed at the result of our patients. i talked to some of them. i talked to some of the families. they are amazing people. some of them woke up today with no leg and they told me they are happy to be alive. they thought as these things
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happened, they told me they thought they would die as they saw the blood spilling out. they thought they would lose their life right there and then. as they woke up today from surgery and saw they were not dead, they feel extremely thankful. some of them feel lucky. it's almost a paradox to see the patients without an extremity to wake up and feel lucky. that talks about our patients. >> that was dr. george velmahos. one of the five boston hospitals treating those injured. as of tonight, 71 patients remain hospitalized. a dozen of them are in critical condition. we have the director of sports medicine at boston's children's hospital and the finish line director at the boston marathon.
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he was treating victims at the marathon. and a clinical nurse specialist in the emergency room at massachusetts general hospital. doctor, tell me when you first knew this was an explosion and not just some strange noise? >> the first time it went off, we didn't know what it was. we thought it was a joke. the second one, we knew there was something going on. then we ran over to the barriers and pulled them down. a guy pulled the fence down from the other direction and we went into the marathon sports. >> we have video of you and your crew running into that zone. you ran straight to the sound of the danger. did you know, as you were running in that direction there were injured people there and were you thinking about might another bomb go off? >> we could see people lying on the sidewalk. i knew there was injuries. yeah, i was concerned there
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might be another bomb there, but you do what you have to do. >> you felt there could be danger but you have no choice. >> you have been in charge of the finish line. >> right. >> you have seen dehydrated athletes coming across that finish line. you suddenly have to swing into action for something you absolutely were not prepared to do. how ready did you discover your team to be under those circumstances in. >> i think people responded in a variety of ways. we had tremendous help in people running the race. i was working on one of them and the fellow that assisted me was a military officer running the race. he came and was tremendous help. we put a tourn kit under his leg with a jacket and coat hanger. >> what were the injuries you could see on the spot that you knew happened?
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>> they were mostly open fractures. there were bones sticking out. there were leg injuries. injuries to the knee. mostly lower extremity. we saw a couple people in a bad situation. >> meaning, did you actually see dismemberment? >> yes. >> you could tell that's what you were looking at. at mass general, when did you get the first word this had occurred and patients were on their way? >> less than ten minutes after the first explosion. we had our first patient. we cleared out 90 patients we were treating throughout the day with the help of the rest of the hospital. everybody in the hospital came down to give us a hand so we were ready. >> what was the flow like? how quickly were they coming in. >> first, very quickly. six patients within the first 15 minutes or so. after that, watching waiting game. patients became more staggered
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at that point. they were triaged to different areas. it's something we practice every year hoping we don't have to use it. unfortunately, we did. >> did the practice help what you had to do? >> absolutely. we do it multiple times a year with mass general and other hospitals in the city. first responders and police and fire departments. it's the training that kicked in. we had the rules and knew where to send patients. everybody worked together so well. i couldn't be prouder to work with such great people. >> how much information were you getting on patients as they came to the hospital? >> the only true call was the first patient with injuries from an explosion and partial amputation of the lower extremity. after that, updates saying two red patients or two yellow
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patients. itis the disaster level we use for the triage level. >> you don't know until they come in, this is what we are dealing with. >> correct. >> how did you assemble enough physicians on the spot and enough nurses to deal with it? >> we didn't have to. everybody stepped in from upstairs. we had surgeons from different areas of the hospital. three cardiologists came up asking what to do. we had nurses and doctors coming in from home. we had nurses come in early for their shifts. nurses upstairs were great in taking the patients we were caring for. >> doctor, how long were you out here on boylston street yesterday? >> we left about 7:00. >> about 7:00. so five hours from the time of the explosion? >> yes. we were going down. the runners were diverted to the common. we went down there to make sure
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everyone was okay. medical tent "b" was kept open. we evacuated tent "a" because of the threat of bombs. we triaged people into that. >> when -- how could you be satisfied? what were you using for benchmarks knowing we got everyone or everyone at this time that's been injured in the area? >> well, we had to evacuate the buildings. a policeman came in and said there's another bomb that's been discovered. let's clear the building. we picked up the patients and put them on wheelchairs. we cleared the building quickly. once we were in medical tent "a" we started triaging them. level one, two and three trauma. once they were all shipped, we cleared the tent out and
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evacuated. >> at what point did you feel confident of your own safety? >> i think that once we were out of the buildings and in the tent. in the building, i wasn't sure. we were nervous about that. >> what surprised you? the whole event was shocking and surprising, but once you were carrying out what you knew you had to do, what surprised you the most about what you had to do? >> i was surprised at the number of injuries. initially, i thought 20 or 30 people. then they started pouring into the medical tent. it was evident the second bomb was more powerful. many more injuries occurred at the second event. >> as the count, the public count has gone up and up and up, you weren't surprised by that at all? >> not at this point. >> you practice for this kind of
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thing. what surprised you most of what everyone at mass general did? >> the great teamwork. all the volunteers at the medical tent, the care that provided. >> what about the proximity of mass general and the other hospitals. the proximity, how close they were. how much did that help? >> boston ems was great at dispursing them so not one emergency room was overwhelmed. >> doctor, how confident were you on the street when in your head you know mass general is over there, you know exactly how many miles away they are. >> we are fortunate to have very good hospitals nearby. the whole system works well. i was very pleased. >> doctor, thank you for what you did yesterday and thank you for much for coming in tonight.
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this was a heinous and cowardly act. given what we now know about what took place, the fbi is investigating it as an act of terrorism. anytime bombs are used to target innocent civilians, it is an act of terror. we will find whoever harmed our citizens and bring them to justice. we also know this, american people refused to be terrorized. what the world saw yesterday, the aftermath of the explosions were stories of heroism, kindness and generosity and love. >> president obama will come to boston for an interfaith service on thursday morning. massachusetts governor, deval patrick announced the service this morning at a press
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conference. >> we are going to have an interfaith service at 11:00 thursday morning. it with be at the holy cross on the south end. i'm glad the president will join us for that to help us all heal. >> coming up next, a reporter who saw what happened here on the street yesterday and is also out there finding out how people are coming together after the bomb explosion yesterday. very logical thinker. (laughs) i'm telling you right now, the girl back at home would absolutely not have taken a zip line in the jungle. (screams) i'm really glad that girl stayed at home. vo: expedia helps 30 million travelers a month find what they're looking for. one traveler at a time. expedia. find yours.
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go back, but you definitely are going to have that fear that something could go wrong. >> that was nicholas. he was injured yesterday at the boston marathon. he and his wife are being treated at tufts medical center. billy baker is live with me. he went to the scene and tweeted what he saw. billy, where were you when the bombings occurred? >> in the boston globe news room. we raced here and were here within ten minutes. >> just take me to that moment in the globe news room that is a few miles this way. >> yes. >> this is obviously a gigantic event occurring in this room. how quickly did you know the scale of what we were dealing with? >> i don't think anyone knew. we went. there was question to what had occurred. immediately, we were seeing people evacuateed from the immediate scene.
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it was easy to spot they were covered in blood and crying. it confirmed this wasn't an accident, it was an attack. missing limbs and a war zone scene. that's when it went from a question to an answer as to what we are dealing with here. >> what were the most surprising things you saw here on boylston street in. >> there was a numb -- it wasn't a panic. it was no one knew what to do or where to go. you had so many runners from out of town. so many people in this -- their emotions were so crossed. the boston marathon is a celebration of human achievement. you had all these people about to achieve something. they were not the elite runners but those training or running for charity or were overcoming something of their own. it was at this moment this
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occurred. it was hard not only to process it, but their body was in such poor shape, they did something that normally you wouldn't. there was confused emptiness and a where do we go? how do we stay safe? it wasn't just the marathoners. the police. we don't know what's going on but you have to move away. >> last night, after the show, i found a tweet in front of my twitter followers who knew the 8-year-old boy who was killed was from dorchester. i felt connected enough to the story before that news. but, you have been out there working that part of the story, too. >> yeah, i spent the day in that community around those who knew the little boy. i went to a park near his school. mostly to get away from the sad
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media scene around his house. what i discovered were his classmates made a mural out of chalk. they were third graders communicating with each other. i witnessed a scene where one boy told another little boy what happened. a parent immediately stepped in and handed the second boy a phone with his mother on the other end like, you know, you are going to need to start answering questions of what's occurred. the parents were whispering. it was just not wanting to let on too much. as i stood back, i was watching third grade kids with freckles and bad teeth playing as if nothing happened, which is what they should be doing on a nice day of april vacation. everyone is trying to process what had gone on. i grew up at a vigil.
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we are seeing the community go from a question of how can i help to how can i heel. >> where do you think the community goes from here? the president will come up and speak at the cathedral. that will be a national event. it will have a national feel to it as well as a local feel. >> i think where it's going now is i'm starting to see the first bits of anger. this is a city that, you know, most of the time i wish it wasn't the case, but we are good at being angry and holding a grudge. you know, boston is famous for being gruff and i think that's where we are going now. there are no answers. there are a lot of questions. not only did they attack the city, attack this country, but they attacked something so special for all of humanity but
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for the city in particular. the finish line at the boston marathon is a celebration of human achievement. i was on the top of heart break hill for three hours before that. the highest point of the marathon route and watching these people, you know, do something that they put so much love and effort into. i had a day of goose bumps and that warm feeling in my stomach. it was wiped out by what happened yesterday and what they took from us, maybe forever. i don't know that it will ever be as sacred as it is. >> thank you very, very much for joining us. did you get any sleep last night? >> a little bit. >> thank you for joining us. we'll be right back. u eat activ. u eat activ. i do it's always in my fridge. and you know activia isn't just for minor digestive issues. exactly, it's also important for my overall well being because it helps regulate my digestive system. and when you feel good on the inside, it shows on the outside!
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we're back with bill, the managing editor of the dorchester reporter. bill, your paper is a small paper in the center of a
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worldwide story. you have contacts in the story no one else has. you have spoken to the principal, the headmaster of the charter school that martin richard attended. >> right. >> what is it like, we were just hearing from billy about what is going on at that school today. how is he handling it with the students there? >> this is school vacation week so many students aren't in the building. they are opening up the school for grief counseling. kevin andrews, the headmaster said they are getting extraordinary support from the school community, the boston public schools, the city of boston, the mayor's office. >> this school is central to the family's life. denise the mother is the school librarian. >> that's right. >> jane, who is the wounded daughter is a first grader there. she'll be returning there as you told us, she's lost a leg.
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>> yeah. >> she'll be returning there in a very different situation. >> she will. but we expect she'll certainly return and the people who know this family best tell me jane will be back. she's an irish step dancer. she recently started it. it's her passion at the moment. they fully expect she'll be dancing again. it's the kind of girl she is and the kind of family she is. it's not going to stop. but, kevin andrews was very clear they need prayers right now, the school community. not only have they lost martin, but temporarily lost denise and the young jane. so, they will be back. >> bill, what do we know about henry, the oldest son he's 10 years old and the father, bill richard? do we know anything about what they are doing now? >> i think they are find iing a